alright ill do that and try it out when i get a chance... and yes i have EDL's in all four corners, but i didnt buy them and put them on it, they came on my dads bike when he bought it on ebay, so i took them off his because he didnt need them, but ive only had them for few months and never taken them in any deep mud so i couldnt tell you how they do, but the back tires are worn pretty good but still have about 1 1/2 inch of tread left on the back and a full 2 inches on the front, ive put them on and did some trail riding and went thru some light mud but the 450 doesnt turn them as well as i would like so i want to get some 27" mudbugs and a hmf utility, and a oem 135, i already have a k and n filter and a free flowing snorkel. Would that turn the 27" mudbugs? How does yours do with EDL's on the front? Turn them well? First i want to get the pipe and jet and then tires later i just dont have the funds to get it all. would that turn the EDL's with a hmf, jet and k and n and snorkel, and ive heard that you have to get used to riding with EDL's or you will bury them in a second. Is that true?