I ride a recon, and after riding a 4x4 suzuki, (front end spin = front end sliding down the hill, I did better when I switched to 2wd). honda had better done a super job on the foreman to make it out do the little guy on steep, tight, twisty trails. well at least when they are dry. that said, I want a foreman for the other 90% of my rideing. Those 22 inch tires and low center of gravity don't mud very well. And well 220cc isn't 490 something when it comes to grunt pulling or climbing straight up.