I got the claws in my local newspaper brand new for only 250 dollars and that was with chrome deltas for a polaris, but i sold the rims for 120 bucks, so i got a great deal on the tires. Here is were i was gonna order from Mudthrowers.com or Highlifter.com . I got the perfex kit from Hondapartsworld.com for 90 bucks shipped. I think my ol 450 turns them quite well. First gear easily spins them in most mud, in slick red clay it bogs some but never stops moving, but i will be addin exhaust, filter and a snorkel in th next couple of weeks so i oughta be able to spin them very well after the mods, if you need any more info pm me or just post back in here.