450Dave.... I'm jellin'.....Are you jellin'.... Ha Ha Ha...Just had to do that.. Sorry.. I have ridden on the gel bicycle seats for over 18hrs at one time on the 4th of July detail and I can promise you that I could not have done that on a regular one... Have not experienced the ATV seat yet but if anything like the bike seat...even at that price would be worth the comfort on a long ride.. For what that's worth..