ghetto foremans

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yellowbeast

Discussion Starter · Nov 15, 2007

im kinda mad at honda. ive said this like 5 times already but someone give me some advice here. ok we bouight 5 bikes in 4 days. weve had an axle replaced in 1 and another one ended up hitting a tree. no problem with them. now on the other hand we have had 2 of them in the shop for about 4 months i guess. one needs a u-joint and the other one needs a motor rebuild. they both have 4 years of warranty and honda wont touch them. now they should've fixed the u-joint but they didnt. the only reason the other one needs a top end rebuild is cause of riding wheelies for a long time. ill admit that it has been under water and drownded once. i changed the oil till it was clean like everyone says to do. but thats not what got it. my local shop said the 500's oil pump is in the front of the motor and that all the oil goes to the back when you ride them on the back wheels and i see that. but they should still have oil running through them in my opinion no one buys a foreman to look at it they buy it to ride it! now if ya'll would please tell me what i should do.

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C1iffburton

· #2 · Nov 15, 2007

id say tell everyone and there mom not to deal with that stealership, then id find an external oil pump off something and figure out a way to get a line to the back of the motor somehow and then pump it from the back up to the oil pump on the front of the motor

may not work that easily but it sounded **** good

tgaisser

· #3 · Nov 15, 2007

I have two new foremans and I bought the extended warranties. You should carefully read their warranty information. What they consider "normal" riding is definitely not wheelies, mud and water riding. Matter of fact, if they can show you have modified much of anything, you can kiss that warranty goodbye.

All that being said, if you want them to honor their warranty, then you have to make them think that the four wheeler has only been ridden in the way they approve of. All service work is done by the dealership and all paperwork should be in order. Also, take after market wheels, tires, lift, pipes, etc. off and put all the factory stuff back on. Mud riding is not allowed. So to remove all traces of it, before the bike goes to the shop take all the plastic off and hand wash the whole quad so their is no evidence. It sounds like a lot of work, but when you have a big problem, like your engine, its worth it. One other thing about aftermarket stuff, I think that if the dealership sells it to you and installs it, then the parts don't void the warranty, but you better make sure. Most dealerships would rather void your warranty than honor it in my opinion.

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AllHonda

· #4 · Nov 15, 2007

I'd even go as far as telling them your writing a letter to the editor of your local paper. Four months is unheard of for a u joint or even a top end job as far as that goes. Good Luck

yellowbeast

Discussion Starter · #5 · Nov 16, 2007

as far as the washing goes i spent about 4 or 5 hours on taking it all aprt and washing it like you said with a pressure washer. we've done complained to honda motor company twice already. they said that the dealership would honor our request on fixing them but they were unable to get in tact with us. we have our own body shop so were always available, now does that sound fishy or what? so honda motor company says they'll warranty them but the dealership says that they wont i guess. when i get time ill post the letter that they sent me.

rsharpe1

· #6 · Nov 16, 2007

Since Honda does not warranty Foreman's that have been wheelied, I better stop going up hills. The hills we climb on a regular basis on our Foremans are at about the same angle of a wheelie.

BGRDForeman

· #7 · Nov 18, 2007

Take it to a different dealer. I took mine to two different dealerships for the same problem that happened at two separeate times. I also have the extended warranty and it was covered by Honda both times. I took it the second dealership because I left all the mods on except for the tires and lift because it is at the dealers discression weather or not they will warranty the bike and the first dealer wouldn't.

beisel1111

· #8 · Nov 18, 2007

Do dealers get more money for work that is not under warranty?

north idaho rancher

· #9 · Nov 18, 2007

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Do dealers get more money for work that is not under warranty?

I'm no expert, but here are a couple of my thoughts~

1) They can't "upsell' you on warrantee work .
2) No profit on factory parts under warranty repairs.
3) They have to justify all replacement warranty parts. They can't hose you on parts you don't need .
4) On cash repairs, the $ goes right into the bank. On warranty work, they probably get reimbursed quarterly.
5) The DM's probably give them **** if they have claims.

Like any other dealership, the profits come from the parts dept. and used sales, not new rigs. They get an "atta-boy" for selling new rigs plus get to hang a pretty sign on the front of the building.

I'm sure someone that works at a dealership will chime in, probably under a fictitious "nom-de-plume". I know I wouldn't sign in under my own name in case my boss was watching!

Scott

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tgaisser

· #10 · Nov 19, 2007

Hey Yellowbeast,
What is your Walmart flotation device? I have been pondering on how to make my foreman float better. Thanks.

BIGB01

· #11 · Nov 20, 2007

Well,They should uphold the warrenty IF you keep your side of the bargain straight.If they can find ANYTHING to tell that the warrenty has been voided,then your on your own.You have to be careful,and watch what your doing,cause they wont.If they find out how you are treating your bikes,then they might not warrenty ANY of them cause of the way you are treating them.(either that are a careful inspection upon drop-off of your bike).Clean your bike WELL if you dont want them to find evidence of mudriding or hard use pertaining to the bike your giving them for warrenty work.
My local Honda shop is very helpful and nice..........

yellowbeast

Discussion Starter · #12 · Nov 26, 2007

the walmart thing is a yellow soccer ball in the frame. i color matched it kinda cool lol.i deflated it and stuck it in their then aired it back up

lawedout

· #13 · Nov 28, 2007

quit crying you bunch of babies. it takes maybe an hour and a half to change the u joint so change it yourself. i think i would before i would let it sit in the shop for 4 months. riding wheelies wont burn a motor up. u did something else to it and you are just not saying. YOU GOT TO PAY TO PLAY.

eric

· #14 · Nov 28, 2007

I think there is some truth to the above. However I don't believe you should change your own u-joint.

Unstuckable

· #15 · Nov 29, 2007

I just changed my rear output shaft and getting to the U-joint itself took about an hour without air tools. Putting it back together took no time at all because I had air tools. I believe I removed 18 small bolts (including the lug nuts) and (1) 17mm allen head nut. Thats it. Took one hour. You be better off doing that kind of maintenance yourself.

And yes, dealerships look very good to the manufacturer when they can void a warrenty and billable work. If you get the wrong dealership, they will screw you over in any way, shape, or form just so they can get the money.

EDIT: When I brought my bike in to get the recall work on the clutch done, I brought it in nice and muddy undernieth and they never said anything about voiding my warrenty or doing any work on it. Guess I got lucky by the sounds of it.

fatsam

· #16 · Dec 2, 2007

the same is true in the auto bussiness.i work for a ford dealer and although they like to keep there numbers low on warranty work,they also have to keep customers coming in the door..it is a double edged sword for these dealers,so you gotta find a dealership that doesnt care as much about there numbers as they do there costumers...QUOTE ("North Idaho Rancher":37n3dzkb)

QUOTE

Do dealers get more money for work that is not under warranty?

I'm no expert, but here are a couple of my thoughts~

1) They can't "upsell' you on warrantee work .
2) No profit on factory parts under warranty repairs.
3) They have to justify all replacement warranty parts. They can't hose you on parts you don't need .
4) On cash repairs, the $ goes right into the bank. On warranty work, they probably get reimbursed quarterly.
5) The DM's probably give them #!% if they have claims.

Like any other dealership, the profits come from the parts dept. and used sales, not new rigs. They get an "atta-boy" for selling new rigs plus get to hang a pretty sign on the front of the building.

I'm sure someone that works at a dealership will chime in, probably under a fictitious "nom-de-plume". I know I wouldn't sign in under my own name in case my boss was watching!

Scott[/quote]

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