[john]

for what you do the rincon would be perfect. i dont think that the high gear ratio issue would affect u much if you mostly trail ride, this only really hurts when you put on big heavy tires(27 or greater)and get in tough pulling situations. yes there is a much noticeable power difference in the 500 foreman and the foreman 450...as for the rubicon...I would not recommend it..many people that I know have them and they have lots of trouble with them

 

[john]

QUOTE ("Phil":3a8blsta)

the rubicon has about 50 more ccs then the 450 and about 25 more then the 500 and for what it sounds like is that the rubicno would be perfect for you, you have the automatic on the trail and the ES in the mud

actually the rubi has closer to 65cc more than the 450

 

[john]

QUOTE ("Robb":2n0q4v0c)

they are both SRA, and im not sure what makes the 500 ride so much better, cause be looking at them both, they appear the same, but there is a major difference in ride quality, maybe its just cause its new??

the new 500s has the same suspension as the new and old rubicons I think also the new 500s are longer so maybe that has something to do with the ride quality, kinda like if you were to add a perfex kit on a 450. the way the shocks are mounted seems a little different to me as well.