Using the Rincon like a workhorse - Honda Foreman Forums : Rubicon, Rincon, Rancher and Recon Forum

Yooperforeman · 07-24-2008, 06:56 AM

My brother-in-law is looking at a 2006 Rincon with low miles,he intends to use it for work,(skidding logs,hauling firewood,etc.)His machines get abused in the woods.I'm thinking a Foreman 500 would be better for this but I wanted to check here first with owners of Rincons.Is the Rincon a worker?

mudbuddy · 07-24-2008, 02:56 PM

I have both a rincon and a foreman 500 and the foreman will work circles around the rincon
rincon has a higher first gear not good for towing or pulling
rincon has a irs and any weight you put on the hitch has to be carried by the springs instead of the axle and tires like a foreman
rincon is a better trail riding machine and the foreman is a worker

sanfortandson · 07-26-2008, 11:02 AM

I would have to agree with you on that. Rincon good for trail, 420 and recon good for work. I use my recon more for work then any of them. These little 250's are awesome.

rdharper · 07-27-2008, 12:24 PM

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I have both a rincon and a foreman 500 and the foreman will work circles around the rincon
rincon has a higher first gear not good for towing or pulling
rincon has a irs and any weight you put on the hitch has to be carried by the springs instead of the axle and tires like a foreman
rincon is a better trail riding machine and the foreman is a worker

Hard to argue with a guy that has experience with both. But I will make the following points.

The Rincon can be used for "work". I use it for such, but most of it is light duty. I have used it for work that I wouldn't have guessed it could handle easily... for instance hauling an about to be scrapped 350 with four flat tires.. pulled it for 300 yards without a strain at all.

I believe in both vehicles, Foreman or Rincon, traction is the limitation, not gearing or power for that matter.

Anyway.... on the gearing... it has a torque converter which lowers that first gear signficantly, and, combined with greater power, you have massive pulling power. Also, in some cases, application of power with the smothness of an automatic is an advantage... same as in trucks.

Also, with respect to the IRS... both cases are "supported by the springs". Maybe what you are observing is that the Foreman is more stiffly sprung... dunno. But I do know that the IRS is a superior system for any application. It is just much more expensive to do. I've never bought the argument of the Yota boys that an SRS is better for trailing. But they are believers... despite the Baja experience.

dcfox · 07-27-2008, 03:24 PM

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Also, with respect to the IRS... both cases are "supported by the springs". Maybe what you are observing is that the Foreman is more stiffly sprung... dunno. But I do know that the IRS is a superior system for any application. It is just much more expensive to do. I've never bought the argument of the Yota boys that an SRS is better for trailing. But they are believers... despite the Baja experience.

I think the main trailer issue when considering IRS vs. SRA....
is tongue weight.
If you have a trailer that has significant tongue weight...it's going to squat the rear end of the Rincon tremendously...as the hitch location is at the rear diff...which is lowered when the suspension is compressed.
on the Foreman/Rubicon...the hitch is in the same location...but doesn't move up or down at all when the suspension is compressed.the tongue weight is not supported by the suspension at all...but entirely by the tires.

rdharper · 07-28-2008, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE ("rdharper":1hq85ifc)

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Also, with respect to the IRS... both cases are "supported by the springs". Maybe what you are observing is that the Foreman is more stiffly sprung... dunno. But I do know that the IRS is a superior system for any application. It is just much more expensive to do. I've never bought the argument of the Yota boys that an SRS is better for trailing. But they are believers... despite the Baja experience.

I think the main trailer issue when considering IRS vs. SRA....
is tongue weight.
If you have a trailer that has significant tongue weight...it's going to squat the rear end of the Rincon tremendously...as the hitch location is at the rear diff...which is lowered when the suspension is compressed.
on the Foreman/Rubicon...the hitch is in the same location...but doesn't move up or down at all when the suspension is compressed.the tongue weight is not supported by the suspension at all...but entirely by the tires.[/quote]

At my age, I'm rarely wrong about anything. But part of that is, that I admit when I'm wrong. I see what you and Yooper are saying. And it makes sense. Thanks for making the point.

jamesrancher03 · 08-07-2008, 03:27 AM

I would recommend the foreman 500 for any real work

eric · 08-12-2008, 05:14 PM

I've had all three models: 03 Rincon, 05 Rubicon and now my 06 Foreman 500ES.

rdharper is smokin' something because the Rincon is/was not built for anything but trail riding; with a lot of faults I might add. Rubicon is a great machine and I absolutely loved the transmission but the Foreman gets my nod because it is the most simple of the three.

rdharper is still smokin' something. A Rincon cannot handle the same weight as a SRA; try putting 500lbs of tongue weight on both machines and see what happens........

Finally the transmission.................plain and simple, it was/is the worst transmission I have ever had experience with. Even the V2 with the piece of crap kawasaki tranny was/is better

Don't let anyone fool you, Rincon's are NOT built for work. This topic has been beaten to death so I will get off of my soap box.

rdharper · 08-14-2008, 07:22 PM

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I've had all three models: 03 Rincon, 05 Rubicon and now my 06 Foreman 500ES.

rdharper is smokin' something because the Rincon is/was not built for anything but trail riding; with a lot of faults I might add. Rubicon is a great machine and I absolutely loved the transmission but the Foreman gets my nod because it is the most simple of the three.

rdharper is still smokin' something. A Rincon cannot handle the same weight as a SRA; try putting 500lbs of tongue weight on both machines and see what happens........

Finally the transmission.................plain and simple, it was/is the worst transmission I have ever had experience with. Even the V2 with the piece of crap kawasaki tranny was/is better

Don't let anyone fool you, Rincon's are NOT built for work. This topic has been beaten to death so I will get off of my soap box.

Eric... do you actually own a Rincon?

eric · 08-14-2008, 07:30 PM

You mean like this one:

Here's my Ruby:

and here is my 500ES:

...........you can take a look at my webshots and see most of my past machines; I didn't get a digital camera until 2003. I had an 01 Kodiak 400, 01 Yamaha Breeze and a Sunduro 90. Anything else?

07-24-2008, 06:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
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07-24-2008, 02:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
mudbuddy Honda Addict Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kenosha Wi. Posts: 222	I have both a rincon and a foreman 500 and the foreman will work circles around the rincon rincon has a higher first gear not good for towing or pulling rincon has a irs and any weight you put on the hitch has to be carried by the springs instead of the axle and tires like a foreman rincon is a better trail riding machine and the foreman is a worker __________________ mudbud 2006 camo rincon, kimpex buddy seat, 2.5 warn winch, warn front bumper, atv-guru rear bumper and combo hitch kit, high lifter springs, VTR spring spacers, garmin gps, Stewert Warner Temp and Volt gauges, swisher heated grips, itp terra cross rt's, full AP skid plate setup ~ 2007 Foreman power steering and ESP for the wife, Warn RT25 winch Aluminum Products skid plate hook holster, skid plate and stick guards Warn front bumper Home made rear bumper a atv guru knock off. Moose heated grips and thumb warmer, Cycle Country plow. http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/q...rbikes-1-1.jpg

07-26-2008, 11:02 AM	#3 (permalink)
sanfortandson Honda Rider Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Southern IL Posts: 26	work horse I would have to agree with you on that. Rincon good for trail, 420 and recon good for work. I use my recon more for work then any of them. These little 250's are awesome. __________________ One mans junk is another mans treasure

08-07-2008, 03:27 AM	#7 (permalink)
jamesrancher03 Honda Rider Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SPRING TX Posts: 9	I would recommend the foreman 500 for any real work __________________ www.xtreme4x4offroad.com/phpbb3 08 brute mud race ready past ride 03 rancher with a hayabusa pipe lol

08-12-2008, 05:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
eric Honda Red Wing Rider Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: MN Posts: 1,650	I've had all three models: 03 Rincon, 05 Rubicon and now my 06 Foreman 500ES. rdharper is smokin' something because the Rincon is/was not built for anything but trail riding; with a lot of faults I might add. Rubicon is a great machine and I absolutely loved the transmission but the Foreman gets my nod because it is the most simple of the three. rdharper is still smokin' something. A Rincon cannot handle the same weight as a SRA; try putting 500lbs of tongue weight on both machines and see what happens........ Finally the transmission.................plain and simple, it was/is the worst transmission I have ever had experience with. Even the V2 with the piece of crap kawasaki tranny was/is better Don't let anyone fool you, Rincon's are NOT built for work. This topic has been beaten to death so I will get off of my soap box. __________________ 2006 500ES w/ some stuff...

08-14-2008, 07:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
eric Honda Red Wing Rider Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: MN Posts: 1,650	You mean like this one: Here's my Ruby: and here is my 500ES: ...........you can take a look at my webshots and see most of my past machines; I didn't get a digital camera until 2003. I had an 01 Kodiak 400, 01 Yamaha Breeze and a Sunduro 90. Anything else? __________________ 2006 500ES w/ some stuff...

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