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#48FAN · 02-07-2007, 08:51 AM

My buddy is looking to buy an ATV, and is trying to decide between the 3 following models.

Suzuki King Quad 700 EFI

Can-am Outlander 650 or 800 EFI

Kawasaki Brute Force 650 or 750 EFI

I personally ride Honda Foremans, so I am a bit lost on what to tell him. Obviously the IRS is a big difference, as well as the drivetrain being belt driven as opposed to centrifical. I asked the Suzuki dealer about that,a nd he said that was only bascially the Polaris. However, I am certain I have heard everyone with a belt drive complain about getting them wet. I though the King Quad IRS was not stiff enough, but the dealer told us you can tune it to be stiffer. What insight can you guy provide as to your opinions, general comparisons and problems with any of these models?

MAD MUDDER · 02-07-2007, 09:51 AM

to be honest with you the King Quads are not really too nice of bikes, atleast the 700 isnt. i was riding with one and it was bogging in a mud hole with stock tires in high but the hole proubly wanst a foot deep and wasnt thick at all. i could zip right through it and never think anything of it. he might of just been a bad rider because i dont know him. i think they are kind of like the rincon, they dont do too good in mud but do good on trails.
the outlanders are awsome 4wheelers, they have tons of power and are great mud bikes. i have never rode with one or know anyone around here that has one so dont quote me on this but i heard if you are not a mud rider do not get them because they can not take the abuse that some trails have. but they have good motors and are fun bikes you might have to watch how you ride on the trails.
the brute are also awsome 4wheelers, they have tons of power and they are good mud bikes. but, if you ride deep water you will proubly want to snorkel them because the intake is in a bad spot and if you go flying through a mud hole fast water will splash into the intake. the 650 SRA are good work bikes (just like the prarie) but when you want to have fun they still have the power. the the 650I and the 750I are more of the mud bikes, and they have tons of power and can ride fast on trails because of the IRS. if he does deside on a brute make sure he knows the difference between the 650 SRA and the 650I because there is a diference.
i know alot about most of the big bore 4wheelers because i was looking for one not too long ago, BTW maby tell him about the suzuki twin peak's 700 its the same thing as the prarie 700 but suzuki put there name on it.

#48FAN · 02-07-2007, 02:34 PM

Great insight, MadMudder! I really appreciate it. What have you heard about the Visco lock on the Oultanders?

MAD MUDDER · 02-07-2007, 06:01 PM

i have heard of the visco lock but i dont really know too much about it. i heard of people liking it and i have heard of people not loking it, i think its just down to personal preference. i dont think i would like it too well but if you didnt want to spin alot and tear ou trails then it would peoubly be nice.
-Aaron

foreman68 · 02-07-2007, 06:13 PM

I don't know a lot about the King Quad or the outlander, just what I have read. The outlander has a lot of power but a weaker frame. The king quad I know nothing about, except that if you are going to snorkel you have to run the snorkel from the bak of the bike all the way around to the front.
The brute force is the way to go from what I have seen. If I were to ever go away from Honda this is the bike I would go with. A buddy I ride with has one and this is what I think, It has lots of power and speed, up to about 65 mph. The 650i is too big but feels a little high for the center of gravity but has a good solid feel. It also has a great diff lock, just pull a lever and your diff lock is engaged. The ground clearance is plenty. the belt drive looks pretty easy to snorkel all vents are to the front so all you would have to do is run it right up and out. The tranny also has a drain plug on the side so that if it gets wet all you have to do is pull the plug and you are read to go. Hope that was helpful.

big_daddy_bigfoot · 02-17-2007, 12:08 AM

I would tell him if he's not going with Honda to buy the Outlander 800. Might as well go as big as you can!! I know Suzuki Vinsons are junk so the king quad I'm sure is too. The BF might not be a bad bike but like I said why not go with the biggest.

Flip 500 · 02-17-2007, 12:50 PM

i sat on a bf 750 at the national farm machinery show yesterday ad i LIKED IT! ... just the overall feel of the size of the bike and the way the controls fit! who knows might get one of them instead of a outlander, but i can't afford either so its the ol' red for right now

stray · 02-24-2007, 11:41 AM

a friend of mine bought a BF750 recently. he's second-guessing the decision now, though. it's wicked fast on a smooth straightaway, but top-heavy on winding trails - which is where we ride most. i leave him behind with my 450 'cause he can't maneuver through the turns on the brute force. we rode through a handful of streams and his tranny started slipping bad, so we stopped for an hour to let it dry out. IMO the can-ams are looking like my next quad, unless honda brings out the big guns. i'm really looking towards a can-am renegade. from what i've heard, the only drawback is the lack of a skidplate. oh yeah, i've also heard they are NOT for novice riders - kinda obvious not to put a newbie on an 800cc machine! check it out here:

<a href="http://www.can-am.brp.com/en-US/Vehicles/Renegade/" target="_blank">http://www.can-am.brp.com/en-US/Vehicles/Renegade/</a>

soon as i come across $9300, i'll write a review!

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brn2bow · 02-24-2007, 10:44 PM

I have a friend who owns the 800xt, griz 700, and his bro owns a bf750.

I like certain features for each one that are unique to the bike, also have things for each that i don't like.

Likes:

800xt - POWER, yep better hang on tight, its insane! IMO, the only mods necessary for this bike, is the ones you strictly can't live without.

Griz - Loads of power as well, especially for a single cylinder. It's fuel injected, Locking front diff., power assist for the rougher terrain

BF750 - Loads of power as well, handles good, locking diff

Dislikes:

800xt - I personally don't care for the visco lok. In mud, it works great. On off camber situations, as soon as you back off the throttle, you're 3 wheeling. If this bike had a locking different like its counter parts, it would take the cake hands down

Griz - IMO, it feels like a smaller bike, its extremely light in the front end

BF - My mechanical skills are limited and from what I've read other places, the twin carbs can be very tempermental.

All the bikes have a great ride. I wouldn't kick any of them out of my building

99foremanes · 03-10-2007, 12:47 PM

Ive got the 07 outlander 650 xt model, with 27" mudlite xtr's, who ever said the bike aint good for trails is full of it, ive gotten over 60 miles of trail riding already, from mud, to rip rap rock trails, to cut over pines, and the outlander has not failed one bit. we have 12,000 acres at our hunting club in the hills of mississippi, and some rough land, i showed two new guys in the club the go of the land weekend before last, they both have bigger atv's, one was on the new polaris 800efi, and the other was on a brute force 750, and both of them didnt impress me at all.

one of our trails is a old cut through red clay logging road in a cut over, its about 3/4 mile of nothing but wash outs and mud all the way up a hill to another part of our lease, i mean all mud! both of them have modded bikes, pipes, controllers, and all, im bone stock, i didnt have to lock into 4wd till about 1/4 in, both of their bikes started sticking quickly. im 260 lbs, both of them are lighter than me at 160 and 210 lbs and the bikes im guessing are about the same.

we rode a power line for about 4 miles, couple times we would all get on the bikes just playing around, the only bike that would half way give me a run for my money was the polaris, i would still outdo him going up the power line speed for speed, on flat ground , the polaris would get me by about a half a bike in about 300ft runs, not very impressive for a bigger bike than mine. the brute stood no chance against either of our bikes.

they both were very impressed with the way the outlander did. i wasnt impressed with either of their bikes. i bought my bike for the pulling power, i pull a tandom axle trailer all the time during spring and summer working at the hunting camp putting out stands and shooting houses, seed, and other things.

i did my research on bikes for 9 months before i purchased, i alway being a honda fan, and being loyal for the last 10 years or so, i hated to leave honda and go to the can-am, but for my working needs, i had to do it. I still love hondas, but i wouldnt trade the can-am for 2 of em.

I have no reason to try to do a sales pitch on the can-am at all, i will say this, before you knock it, go to the nearest dealer and test drive one, you will see where im coming from on this.

i didnt need the 800 outlander, the 650 does more than enuff.

now on the subject of the visco lock, it gives you more control in sticky situations, if one front tire spins 3/4 rotation, it will lock in the other wheel, i love it, check this video out.

<a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=eNvAxjLMbHs" target="_blank">http://youtube.com/watch?v=eNvAxjLMbHs</a>

02-07-2007, 08:51 AM	#1 (permalink)
#48FAN Honda Lover Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Owasso, OK Posts: 308	KingQuad vs Outlander vs BruteForce My buddy is looking to buy an ATV, and is trying to decide between the 3 following models. Suzuki King Quad 700 EFI Can-am Outlander 650 or 800 EFI Kawasaki Brute Force 650 or 750 EFI I personally ride Honda Foremans, so I am a bit lost on what to tell him. Obviously the IRS is a big difference, as well as the drivetrain being belt driven as opposed to centrifical. I asked the Suzuki dealer about that,a nd he said that was only bascially the Polaris. However, I am certain I have heard everyone with a belt drive complain about getting them wet. I though the King Quad IRS was not stiff enough, but the dealer told us you can tune it to be stiffer. What insight can you guy provide as to your opinions, general comparisons and problems with any of these models? __________________ The Road Goes on Forever, But The Party Never Ends ... ________________________________________ 05 Foreman - 48 Special 27" ITP Mud Lite XL's Black ITP Delta Wheels HMF Utility w/170 jet K&N Filter w/PreCharger NGK Iridium Plug Magellan GPS HighLifter Lift Kit & Lift Springs 2500 Champion Winch Snorkeled My other ride is your mom!

02-07-2007, 09:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
MAD MUDDER Honda Red Wing Rider Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: ohio Posts: 1,123	to be honest with you the King Quads are not really too nice of bikes, atleast the 700 isnt. i was riding with one and it was bogging in a mud hole with stock tires in high but the hole proubly wanst a foot deep and wasnt thick at all. i could zip right through it and never think anything of it. he might of just been a bad rider because i dont know him. i think they are kind of like the rincon, they dont do too good in mud but do good on trails. the outlanders are awsome 4wheelers, they have tons of power and are great mud bikes. i have never rode with one or know anyone around here that has one so dont quote me on this but i heard if you are not a mud rider do not get them because they can not take the abuse that some trails have. but they have good motors and are fun bikes you might have to watch how you ride on the trails. the brute are also awsome 4wheelers, they have tons of power and they are good mud bikes. but, if you ride deep water you will proubly want to snorkel them because the intake is in a bad spot and if you go flying through a mud hole fast water will splash into the intake. the 650 SRA are good work bikes (just like the prarie) but when you want to have fun they still have the power. the the 650I and the 750I are more of the mud bikes, and they have tons of power and can ride fast on trails because of the IRS. if he does deside on a brute make sure he knows the difference between the 650 SRA and the 650I because there is a diference. i know alot about most of the big bore 4wheelers because i was looking for one not too long ago, BTW maby tell him about the suzuki twin peak's 700 its the same thing as the prarie 700 but suzuki put there name on it. __________________ 03 400ex- renthal handlebars,Oury grips, LSR brake block, LSR bearing carrier, DG full skids, DG bumper, DG grab bar, white brothers exhaust, dynojet kit, K&N filter, SKIN graphics, SKIN gripper seat 15/45 sprockets, razr2 tires 06 brute force 650i---FOR SALE--- PM me if interested CRACKIN' FRAMES & TALKIN' NAMES

02-07-2007, 02:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
#48FAN Honda Lover Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Owasso, OK Posts: 308	Great insight, MadMudder! I really appreciate it. What have you heard about the Visco lock on the Oultanders? __________________ The Road Goes on Forever, But The Party Never Ends ... ________________________________________ 05 Foreman - 48 Special 27" ITP Mud Lite XL's Black ITP Delta Wheels HMF Utility w/170 jet K&N Filter w/PreCharger NGK Iridium Plug Magellan GPS HighLifter Lift Kit & Lift Springs 2500 Champion Winch Snorkeled My other ride is your mom!

02-07-2007, 06:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
MAD MUDDER Honda Red Wing Rider Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: ohio Posts: 1,123	i have heard of the visco lock but i dont really know too much about it. i heard of people liking it and i have heard of people not loking it, i think its just down to personal preference. i dont think i would like it too well but if you didnt want to spin alot and tear ou trails then it would peoubly be nice. -Aaron __________________ 03 400ex- renthal handlebars,Oury grips, LSR brake block, LSR bearing carrier, DG full skids, DG bumper, DG grab bar, white brothers exhaust, dynojet kit, K&N filter, SKIN graphics, SKIN gripper seat 15/45 sprockets, razr2 tires 06 brute force 650i---FOR SALE--- PM me if interested CRACKIN' FRAMES & TALKIN' NAMES

02-07-2007, 06:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
foreman68 Honda Rider Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sanford, FL Posts: 55	I don't know a lot about the King Quad or the outlander, just what I have read. The outlander has a lot of power but a weaker frame. The king quad I know nothing about, except that if you are going to snorkel you have to run the snorkel from the bak of the bike all the way around to the front. The brute force is the way to go from what I have seen. If I were to ever go away from Honda this is the bike I would go with. A buddy I ride with has one and this is what I think, It has lots of power and speed, up to about 65 mph. The 650i is too big but feels a little high for the center of gravity but has a good solid feel. It also has a great diff lock, just pull a lever and your diff lock is engaged. The ground clearance is plenty. the belt drive looks pretty easy to snorkel all vents are to the front so all you would have to do is run it right up and out. The tranny also has a drain plug on the side so that if it gets wet all you have to do is pull the plug and you are read to go. Hope that was helpful. __________________ 2005 Foreman S 27" Swamp Witches on Rattlesnakes HMF K&N Dynojet Snorkel

02-17-2007, 12:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
big_daddy_bigfoot Honda Red Wing Rider Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Beardstown, Illinois Posts: 1,607	I would tell him if he's not going with Honda to buy the Outlander 800. Might as well go as big as you can!! I know Suzuki Vinsons are junk so the king quad I'm sure is too. The BF might not be a bad bike but like I said why not go with the biggest. __________________ 2005 500 ES K&N + pre filter Jetted Hmf piped Highlifter springed Highlifter boot guarded Prefex long traveled Itp type 7 blackouted Itp 27 Mudlited Carb vent modded Kimpex rear bumpered 3000 lbs Gorilla winched Roped w/custom rope stopper Audio piped and Ipoded.

02-17-2007, 12:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
Flip 500 Honda Lover Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bradfordsville, KY Posts: 472	i sat on a bf 750 at the national farm machinery show yesterday ad i LIKED IT! ... just the overall feel of the size of the bike and the way the controls fit! who knows might get one of them instead of a outlander, but i can't afford either so its the ol' red for right now __________________ 06 500 Foreman S 4x4 27 In. GBC Gators 2 In. Front Lift Aluminum Products Bash Plate/Hook Holster 3500# Venom Winch(didn't work so i threw in a ditch somewhere in the middle of nowhere) EPI Clutch Kit (Awaiting Installation) Hillbilly Delux snorkel V2.0 NGK Iridium Plug HMF Penland Series Jetted K&N Outerwears Prefilter wanna go?http://www.replay.ru/forum/style_emo...lt/butcher.gif the foreman is finished, now time to build the drag car to pull behind it

02-24-2007, 11:41 AM	#8 (permalink)
stray Honda Rider Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: PA Posts: 65	a friend of mine bought a BF750 recently. he's second-guessing the decision now, though. it's wicked fast on a smooth straightaway, but top-heavy on winding trails - which is where we ride most. i leave him behind with my 450 'cause he can't maneuver through the turns on the brute force. we rode through a handful of streams and his tranny started slipping bad, so we stopped for an hour to let it dry out. IMO the can-ams are looking like my next quad, unless honda brings out the big guns. i'm really looking towards a can-am renegade. from what i've heard, the only drawback is the lack of a skidplate. oh yeah, i've also heard they are NOT for novice riders - kinda obvious not to put a newbie on an 800cc machine! check it out here: <a href="http://www.can-am.brp.com/en-US/Vehicles/Renegade/" target="_blank">http://www.can-am.brp.com/en-US/Vehicles/Renegade/</a> soon as i come across $9300, i'll write a review! / -->/" title="Dancing" />/ --> __________________ "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1759 '00 Foreman 450 ES K&N Air Filter Maier Handguards Shell Rotella T 5W40 Synthetic Oil Magellan Sportrak Map GPS Custom GPS Mount Various Military TA-50 Scratches, Dents, Bruises

02-24-2007, 10:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
brn2bow Honda Rider Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Winchester, VA Posts: 69	I have a friend who owns the 800xt, griz 700, and his bro owns a bf750. I like certain features for each one that are unique to the bike, also have things for each that i don't like. Likes: 800xt - POWER, yep better hang on tight, its insane! IMO, the only mods necessary for this bike, is the ones you strictly can't live without. Griz - Loads of power as well, especially for a single cylinder. It's fuel injected, Locking front diff., power assist for the rougher terrain BF750 - Loads of power as well, handles good, locking diff Dislikes: 800xt - I personally don't care for the visco lok. In mud, it works great. On off camber situations, as soon as you back off the throttle, you're 3 wheeling. If this bike had a locking different like its counter parts, it would take the cake hands down Griz - IMO, it feels like a smaller bike, its extremely light in the front end BF - My mechanical skills are limited and from what I've read other places, the twin carbs can be very tempermental. All the bikes have a great ride. I wouldn't kick any of them out of my building __________________ 05 Foreman 500S 25" Mud lites Quad Boss rear cargo box Rear Driving Lights Twin Air Filter EPI Clutch kit Custom audio pipe Pelican case for MP3 player Soon: FMF Jet Kit - FOR SALE

03-10-2007, 12:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
99foremanes Honda Rider Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: GREENVILLE MS Posts: 39	! Ive got the 07 outlander 650 xt model, with 27" mudlite xtr's, who ever said the bike aint good for trails is full of it, ive gotten over 60 miles of trail riding already, from mud, to rip rap rock trails, to cut over pines, and the outlander has not failed one bit. we have 12,000 acres at our hunting club in the hills of mississippi, and some rough land, i showed two new guys in the club the go of the land weekend before last, they both have bigger atv's, one was on the new polaris 800efi, and the other was on a brute force 750, and both of them didnt impress me at all. one of our trails is a old cut through red clay logging road in a cut over, its about 3/4 mile of nothing but wash outs and mud all the way up a hill to another part of our lease, i mean all mud! both of them have modded bikes, pipes, controllers, and all, im bone stock, i didnt have to lock into 4wd till about 1/4 in, both of their bikes started sticking quickly. im 260 lbs, both of them are lighter than me at 160 and 210 lbs and the bikes im guessing are about the same. we rode a power line for about 4 miles, couple times we would all get on the bikes just playing around, the only bike that would half way give me a run for my money was the polaris, i would still outdo him going up the power line speed for speed, on flat ground , the polaris would get me by about a half a bike in about 300ft runs, not very impressive for a bigger bike than mine. the brute stood no chance against either of our bikes. they both were very impressed with the way the outlander did. i wasnt impressed with either of their bikes. i bought my bike for the pulling power, i pull a tandom axle trailer all the time during spring and summer working at the hunting camp putting out stands and shooting houses, seed, and other things. i did my research on bikes for 9 months before i purchased, i alway being a honda fan, and being loyal for the last 10 years or so, i hated to leave honda and go to the can-am, but for my working needs, i had to do it. I still love hondas, but i wouldnt trade the can-am for 2 of em. I have no reason to try to do a sales pitch on the can-am at all, i will say this, before you knock it, go to the nearest dealer and test drive one, you will see where im coming from on this. i didnt need the 800 outlander, the 650 does more than enuff. now on the subject of the visco lock, it gives you more control in sticky situations, if one front tire spins 3/4 rotation, it will lock in the other wheel, i love it, check this video out. <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=eNvAxjLMbHs" target="_blank">http://youtube.com/watch?v=eNvAxjLMbHs</a> __________________ doug vest greenville ms 1999 honda foreman 450es 2007 Can-Am outlander 650 H.O. efi XT

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