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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 03-01-2017, 04:37 PM Thread Starter
 
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Do I Really Have To Change My Oil Every Year?




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Dear MOby,

I just saw your answer regards oil change. My manual says that I need to change oil every 3000 miles. But I only ride about 1000 miles per year (very short commute). By the book, I need to perform oil change every three years. Do I really need to change oil every year? Is it okay to change oil every three years, just because I donít ride that much?

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PS: Just to make myself comfortable, I do oil change once a year.
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Its about 15$ for two quarts of oil and a filter.... I dont see any pros in not changing it every year.
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most OEM warranty's require oil to be changed on miles OR time frame, so, its on many 3,000 miles "OR" 6 months or a YR
so, NO waiting for 3 yrs IF you only drive 1,000 miles a yr might void your warranty

will it harm your motor
maybe yes MAYBE NO
as when a motor sits often, condensation can build in the oil, OIL can break down from TIME, thus why so many have a time amount added to OR< there time frames when it needs to eb changed to KEEP a warranty

On my 2016 Ram 2500 Cummins diesel, its a oil change every 15,000 miles OR 6 months, failure to change oil and be able to PROVE you did, every 6 months can void my motor's warranty
It sucks IMO, as I cannot see oil going bad in 6 months, or NOT as much oil that is a diesel motor

But if you want to follow OEM warranty requirements, its the deal

thru out my life time I have known guys that NEVER change there oils in cars and trucks and get 100,000-150,000 problem free miles by just adding some as needed
and known guys that do the opposite, change it ALL the time and also have long life

BUT on the flip side, I have also know BOTH types that had LOTS of issues LOL

ME< I say oil is still cheap insurance, I have seen how NEW oil(all the more SYN oil) how a motor will run quietier and cooler, which IMO< means its working more efficiently on NEW oil, as to older oil?
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As mrbb said, condensation is an issue. Engines aren't airtight, so if you have repeated hot and cold cycles due to weather, you can have some condensation in the motor. Over long periods of time, this can contaminate your oil.


If you run the motor infrequently, but you DO run it, then the oil gets contaminated from use, and should be changed. Some of the additives in oil now turn acidic after reacting to the contaminants from normal use.


That said, OIL itself does NOT "go bad" with age. Oil sitting does not have a shelf life. It does not go bad.


Oil sitting in an engine that is not run, will not go bad. If it's in a climate controlled area (no condensation), sitting in an engine, and isn't run, there is absolutely no reason to change it.


Of course, none of my stuff is in warranty so the warranty point is moot for me.

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Jeep, I would question this, as ALL oils are a combination of different things, I have to think(unfortunately) that all things have a shelf life
as there blended together in the process of making,m HOW Long will it take for maybe things to separate??
I have NO clue
and once a motor is run, its mixing both things in the oil itself and wear and tear parts from motor into oil

ever open up a motor that sat for yrs and yrs and find all that THICK crap on the bottom??
as things settle from USED oil and time passes, it changes the make up of the oil(as does again the mixing of micro metal parts from wear and tear into the oil)

so, I still say TIME alone effect s oil

an air tight what ever will still be prone to condensation, one that has air flowing will actually have lower odds of it, as air flowing helps it evaporate rather than building up!

I doubt anything is a worry in a few yrs like deal, heck oil in a can in a place that vented well, should last a LONG time

but if I had the choice to use brand new oil over 50 yr oil of same weight, I know what one I want in my motors LOL

just think about ALL the differences in oils , due to so many different brands made, SLIGHT differences I give, but little things matter ?? NO ??
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Jeep, I would question this, as ALL oils are a combination of different things, I have to think(unfortunately) that all things have a shelf life
as there blended together in the process of making,m HOW Long will it take for maybe things to separate??
I have NO clue
and once a motor is run, its mixing both things in the oil itself and wear and tear parts from motor into oil

ever open up a motor that sat for yrs and yrs and find all that THICK crap on the bottom??
as things settle from USED oil and time passes, it changes the make up of the oil(as does again the mixing of micro metal parts from wear and tear into the oil)

so, I still say TIME alone effect s oil

an air tight what ever will still be prone to condensation, one that has air flowing will actually have lower odds of it, as air flowing helps it evaporate rather than building up!

I doubt anything is a worry in a few yrs like deal, heck oil in a can in a place that vented well, should last a LONG time

but if I had the choice to use brand new oil over 50 yr oil of same weight, I know what one I want in my motors LOL

just think about ALL the differences in oils , due to so many different brands made, SLIGHT differences I give, but little things matter ?? NO ??


Well obviously advances have been made in oils in the last 50 years, so completely agree with you there.


As far as time in and of itself affecting oil...it's millions of years old. Bottled oil is purified, and has additives put in. Then it's sealed. That keeps moisture and contaminants out, so I'm sticking with my "oil sitting unused in a climate controlled environment doesn't age"


I agree, you run an engine, crap gets in the oil, and that crap isn't good for the oil or the engine, but in an engine that isn't run, pouring oil in there is no different that oil sitting in a bottle; it will not "go bad"


I also disagree with you on the "air-tight being more prone to condensation". If it's air tight, there is a set amount of moisture in there. That is ALL that can get in there. In an open to air system, everytime you have a fog, you have new/more moisture introduced to the system.


Opening up an engine that has sat for years and years and seeing crap come out isn't the oil, it's the byproducts of running an engine.


We have a 1985 Jeep with 4600 miles on it. I change the oil about every 200-300 miles, or about every 3-4 times it's driven. Sometimes it goes years without being changed, because it just isn't driven much. The oil coming out after several years looks just like the oil going in (enough for me to think "Crap, I'm wasting good oil here"). I change it because oil changes are cheap and I want to make sure that moisture from condensation doesn't accumulate in the engine, but honestly I think I'm wasting oil, time, and money changing it as frequently as I do.

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I have worked on a bunch of OLD tractors that sat for 10-30+ yrs with out running and seen oil come of it thick as tar, COLD tar too LOL

I do NOT think it was all motor related, reasons the oil got thick, it was AGE and sitting in the motor itself

we can surely disagree with idea's here

But take a sealed empty water bottle and expose it to some big temps swings and watch water build on inside and out of bottle!
condensation will be in that bottle with a sealed top on it
its why condensation passes thru glass and all
flowing air actually helps prevent condensation from happening at all
its why when they build a house there NOT air tight, nor attic's and such, you WANT them to vent, to reduce the amount of moisture that will form in them, flowing air does this

there is water in AIR alone
oil containers are NOT vacuum sealed to suck all remaining air out of them, nor are motors
that air space can and is where water forms as in condensation in them

once NEW oil is in a motor and motor is run, its NOW NOT new oil, its mixes with what ever is in that motor
when we drain oil, we NEVER get ALL old oil out, nor other things that are in them(AKA<
think flushing a sunk motor, and how we DO NOT get all the crap out from that)
HOW oil reacts to what ever it contacts, can again change the make up of oil and its life span as it was designed to do!

that is why they place time frames on oil changes on warranty's, due to they have proved oil over time, doesn';t work as well as NEW oil

as for oil being thousands of yrs old, YES and NO< it way more refined that just coming out of the ground and into a motor or can LOL
they add many things to MAKE there FORMULA< as if not all 10-40 oil would be exactly the same, and its NOT , its how its refined and what all is ADDED to it, that makes brand "X" different than brand "Z" of same weight oil

I am Not arguing with you Jeep
just saying things that can alter things

I am sure I like you waste oil that is MORE than good enough, due to I prefer to have NEW oil often, than not
I also like GOOD sny oil in toys, and I am SURE its NOT needed there at all to be honest

BUt I would bet, MOST folks that run SNY FEEL, THINK, BELIEVE they notice a difference running it as to dino oil!
I seen first hand how things ran cooler with syn over dino oil of same weights
SO< protection is different based on MAKE up of oil
as MAKE up of oil changed from TIME< USE and so on
so does its added protection it ONCE had
and its why we change it, some More often than others

but oil can and does go bad IMO
it might be in such SMALL amount NO one cares
but logic says it HAS to
anything mixed to get to "X" formula and sits LONG, things will settle again on the bottom
take a can of paint for instance as a more extreme here?
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most oil companies say oil shelf life is 5 years. That is in a unopened container. oil itself never actually wears out, it picks up contaminants but the additives eventually break down. the newer synthetic oils have much higher and lower temperature tolerance. They have engineered molecules that are much smaller and have less friction .
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