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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 06-03-2011, 11:19 PM Thread Starter
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Electric Start Problem

The Starter Relay Switch goes "bzzzt" when I press the handlebar starter. Replaced it with a new one and it's still the same. Replaced brushes in the starter motor also. Any ideas on why the electric start doesn't work anymore?
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welcome to the forum is there 12volts at the starter with the starter button pushed
also check the ground and all the conections at and around the battery

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welcome dude ..... hmmmmmm!!! I think I would try option 3 ;try the pull start... It dose have one don't it ??!!!!
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welcome to the forum is there 12volts at the starter with the starter button pushed
I don't know. How do I check if there's 12 volts going through? I do have a voltmeter.
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welcome dude ..... hmmmmmm!!! I think I would try option 3 ;try the pull start... It dose have one don't it ??!!!!
It does and I'm fine with option 3, it's my wife that hates it.

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[QUOTE=Lil'Dave;583911]I don't know. How do I check if there's 12 volts going through? I do have a volt meter.



i like to take the cover off the starter (yes there is another place to check this but it also checks the cable to the starter)then put your volt meter to dc red to starter wire, black to ground ,and have someone hit the starter button .if you have 12 volts at starter and it dont work its in the starter someware. if not then its back further.
also check all the fuesses

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I am having that same problem. I thought it may have been the battery getting weak but after replacing it , it continues to do the same thing but after a few tries it still starts up. Good Luck
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I don't know. How do I check if there's 12 volts going through? I do have a volt meter.



i like to take the cover off the starter (yes there is another place to check this but it also checks the cable to the starter)then put your volt meter to dc red to starter wire, black to ground ,and have someone hit the starter button .if you have 12 volts at starter and it dont work its in the starter someware. if not then its back further.
also check all the fuesses
The red plastic cover over where the battery wire connects or is it some other cover? I was thinking you straightened the 3 indents on the sides to remove the top from the metal casing so I tried it with the original starter. The whole starter came out and I couldn't put it back together afterward.

Back further as in around the battery or towards the front of the machine?

Where's the other place to test with a volt meter?

All the fuses look good, the 3 pronged black one I don't know about though. Also all the connections around the battery look pretty good too.

Thanks for all your help.

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I am having that same problem. I thought it may have been the battery getting weak but after replacing it , it continues to do the same thing but after a few tries it still starts up. Good Luck
Thanks. I've been trying that for a while and it hasn't kicked in so far. The battery was fully charged when I tested it.

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no no no lol the cover i ment is the protective plastis cover over the starter when on the foreman on rt side of (the cover HIDES the starter). sorry i wasnt clearer.
check the voltage on the outgoing side of the starter selonoyd(the side that goes down to the starter)when starter button is pushed.
if you have power to the starter and no start then starter has a problem
if you have no power after the selonyd ,the problem MIGHT be the selonyd

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  1. fuse inspection- check for blown main fuse(30amp) or ign fuse(10a)
  2. battery inspection-good charge
  3. starter relay switch operation inspection-remove the rear fender lid. disconnect the starter relay switch 2p connector. ground line, check for continuity between the gray/white wire terminal of the wire harness side connector and ground. if there is continuity when the transmission is in neutral or when the front brake lever is squeezed, the ground circuit is normal. power input line, make sure the engine stop switch is turned to "on", and turn ignition switch "on". measure the voltage between the yellow/red wire terminal(+) of the wire harness side connector and ground(-). if the battery voltage appears only when the starter switch is pushed, the circuit is normal. function inspection, disconnect the negative(-) cable from the battery. disconnect the starter relay switch 2p connector. remove the battery (+) cable and starter motor cable from the starter relay switch. connect the fully charged 12v battery positive terminal to the yellow/red wire terminal and negative terminal to the light green/red wire terminal of the starter relay switch. there should be continuity between the cable terminals while the battery is connected and no continuity when the battery is disconnected.
  4. starter motor inspection- turn the ignition switch to "off". apply battery voltage to the starter motor directly. does starter motor turn?? yes-poorly connected starter motor cable, faulty starter relay switch. no- faulty starter motor.
  5. relay coil ground line inspection- turn the ignition switch to "off" check the ground line of the starter relay switch. (refer to step 3) is the ground line normal?? yes- goto step 6. no- faulty gear position switch,faulty diode, faulty front brake switch, loose or poor contact of the related connector terminal, open circuit in the wire harness.
  6. relay coil power input line inspection- check the power input line of starter relay switch(refer to step 3) is the power input line normal? yes- goto step 7. no- faulty ignition switch, faulty engine stop switch, faulty starter switch, loose or poor contact of the related connector terminal, open circuit in the wire harness.
  7. starter relay switch inspection- check the function of the starter relay switch(refer to step 3). does the starter relay switch function properly?? yes- loose or poor contact of the starter relay switch connector terminal. no- faulty starter relay switch.
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  • low battery voltage
  • poorly connected battery cable
  • poorly connected starter motor cable
  • faulty starter motor
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starter motor turns, but engine does not turn
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starter relay switch clicks, but engine does not turn over
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no no no lol the cover i ment is the protective plastis cover over the starter when on the foreman on rt side of (the cover HIDES the starter). sorry i wasnt clearer.
check the voltage on the outgoing side of the starter selonoyd(the side that goes down to the starter)when starter button is pushed.
if you have power to the starter and no start then starter has a problem
if you have no power after the selonyd ,the problem MIGHT be the selonyd
LOL I feel a little stupid.
No voltage on the outgoing side but the power input line test returned a full voltage. The ground line test failed, I think. My hearing is pretty bad but my son's is really good and he said he never heard the beep from the volt meter. The starter motor test failed also when I connected the battery directly to the motor. I didn't try any other tests. Should I have?
Thinking about ordering a starter motor with a new solenoid. First I'll see if I can get my hands on a used motor before ordering. Thanks again.

Thanks sspeckerwood for the troubleshooting instructions.
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